Pico transitioned to JBJ 6 gallon...a new beginning

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dragon79

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I been searching here at work and can't find squat other than that same site that Id my shrimp. Nothing on it's diet though. Somebody help, I've tried posting on other forums and no luck yet.

Mighty incysor, you think you could use your resources to find out what this little guy likes to preferably eat?

Right now I'm assuming it's eating scraps around the tank, and in the LR.
 
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mikeguerrero

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It wasn't the wrong link. I sent that link for you to consider the upgrade and get a free RBTA for your nemos. Mine split because of the increased lighting and good water quality.

You could house the baby in your 6 gallon cube with the simple upgrade. Maybe you'll get a good price on the upgrade, just email Chris. But I'll send you the RBTA and your nemos will probably host.

I'll take pictures of the two anenomes over the weekend, they are really healthy.

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dragon79

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ran into snag today

Man, I can't believe the bad luck I just got dealt......Apparently the plate coral, expanded so big today while at work that it was able to reach the galaxia, and attached it's tentacle to it......while doing that, it was able to pull itself free from the flat rock i had it placed and back onto the sandbed (as you've seen in earlier pics) Once on sandbed, it destroyed half of the galaxia frag. One half is good and fine, the other half is bleached and dead looking. It also grabbed my frogspawn, and it attempted to eat it, it took me a while for that damn thing to let go of my frogspawn. It lost a lot of tentacles and stayed retracted the rest of the night. I'll post damage pics later, but here's the scoop.

I immediately got dressed into street clothes, packed up the plate and took it back to Tong's. I got 15 bucks credit, and I got an anemone shrimp, and some bluish/violet mushrooms. On the rock it came with one maroonish one, and one green one not attached, so I placed it on some rock so it can grab on.

mushrooms


anemone shrimp



On another note: Hey Mike, I found what kind of shrimp you have, the one that you took thats on the xenias that you entered in that one contest.

It's a rock cleaner shrimp (species 2)
scientific name: Urocaridella sp. 2

here's the link....
http://www.edge-of-reef.com/macruri/MACUrocaridellaspb1.jpg

Oh and here's the damage done by the plate.....sad, but at least it's gone now....

Here's the frogspawn after saving it from jaws, it's retracted, lost a lot of it's tentacles, but I think he'll pull through and regenerate the damage.



This galaxia on the other hand, looks all white on one side....not sure if it'll recover.....cuz it even lost that jelly, it looks like just shell.




Well that's it, the rest is just a recovery process....if the galaxia completely dies of that side, I'll try and break off the dead, and leave the smaller living piece, it'll be easier to accomodate. Well I'll keep ya guys updated with more as it develops. Laterz.
 
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incysor

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dragon79 said:
I been searching here at work and can't find squat other than that same site that Id my shrimp. Nothing on it's diet though. Somebody help, I've tried posting on other forums and no luck yet.

Mighty incysor, you think you could use your resources to find out what this little guy likes to preferably eat?

Right now I'm assuming it's eating scraps around the tank, and in the LR.
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I followed the links you've got and I suspect that they're not using the correct name for this shrimp. "Spiny shrimp", is nearly as generic as "shrimp". It just isn't a proper name. The scientific name is also wrong. When you run it you only get the links to those two pages, (both on the same website). If this were the correct scientific name there would be more hits. I'd love to poke around and help you figure this out, but I'm just not gonna have time. Work has been insane the last week, and doesn't look like it's gonna let up until sometime late next week.

Sorry guys.

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mikeguerrero

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Oh my,

Damn, dude I'm so sorry about your corals. I learned my lesson hard and never again did I purchase an LPS with long tentacles, it was a night-mare.

It's ironic because it was my plate coral that suffered a vicious attack from my evil frogspawn. It's however, different in your case.

I thought my plate was a gonner, because half of his body was destroyed in mucus, but he came back in about 1 week.

Your stuff will make it, just make sure to add Iodine to your tank more this week. I did and it recovered faster.

I'm a little pissed off at the situtation, I told you not to get a plate after you rid yourself of the first one. I suggested a fungi, they are prettier and don't have sweeper tentacles.

But hey, we learn and I've made so many errors, just hate it that it happened to you :(

good luck,

Mike
 
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djconn

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Man, that sucks. Live and learn I guess. Hope some or all of your corals pull through. [-o<
 
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dragon79

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Yeah I know it sucks, it looks like the frogspawn is pulling through. I am adding the iodide in my tank, and it appears to be working just fine. The galaxia looks good but from one side only, the other half is white. I was going to get rid of the galaxia anyway, and just add more zoo's and cool mushrooms like yours Mike. As for the small tentacle plate......I dont like um, but thanks for the suggestion.

As for everything else, it appears the spiny shrimp and the anemone shrimp are getting along. Sometimes they'll hang together. After reading I found that the anemone shrimp is a female. (they have more spots on the abdomen than the male, and generally larger)

The mushrooms I picked up are very pretty, a bluish color on some, others violet/pinkish. Very nice.

In the future I think a pretty open brain, some avelopora, or Pagoda would be nice to add as well.
 
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incysor

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I've looked on and off for a couple days...I didn't find anything that described any habits of the shrimp you have....But I did find it. Site you found it on has the name wrong apparently. There's not tons more, info on them, but it appears they're starfish eaters, like harleqins and bumble bee shrimp. They're found in Moreton Bay Australia.

Tiger Shrimp
Phyllognathia ceratophthalma

This guys name comes up a lot and could probably tell you more about it.

He's a professor someplace in Australia and appears to be an expert on crustaceans.
Peter J.F. DAVIE
[email protected]

Let us know if you get any further info from him.

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dragon79

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incysor said:
I've looked on and off for a couple days...I didn't find anything that described any habits of the shrimp you have....But I did find it. Site you found it on has the name wrong apparently. There's not tons more, info on them, but it appears they're starfish eaters, like harleqins and bumble bee shrimp. They're found in Moreton Bay Australia.

Tiger Shrimp
Phyllognathia ceratophthalma

This guys name comes up a lot and could probably tell you more about it.

He's a professor someplace in Australia and appears to be an expert on crustaceans.
Peter J.F. DAVIE
[email protected]

Let us know if you get any further info from him.

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no such luck as of yet, but still trying to get more info. No responses back though :( I have started a thread at RC, but the doctor was not even aware of the species and could offer no help. The only one that wanted to help as he was interested in the shrimp was "SPAWNER'.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showt ... did=560114
 
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dragon79

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latest news...

Well because I didn't know what it ate, I went and tried and tested my luck with getting a sand sifting star. Either it would eat it, or not it would become something that sifted my sand and kept it nice and white.

Here's the bad news.....I bought one, I acclimated it for 3 hours, and it went in fine, moving around, stirring up the sand.....then I got to liking him. I went around looking to see if my shrimp would come out, but it has not come out all weekend, so I figure, that since the time I got him + the time he hasn't eaten at the LFS, I think he finally died of starvation. Being p*ssed about that, i went back to LFS and bought the last remaining two they had, and I have one small very colorful one...and one bigger one that's more of a sticks to one place kinda shrimp. The little one has been up and around every part of my tank, while the other bigger one has hung around the galaxia.

There was a point about an hour later where the sand sifting star came up from the sand and went towards my bigger Tiger Shrimp and it looked like old Tiger was going to get a meal, but instead, Tiger showed no interest, and if anything, kinda retreated more into the galaxia and let the sea star go by....would have been it's instinct to eat them....that sea star would not have a chance.....so I guess after seeing that I see they will not eat that. I am going to have to try a sea urchin.....perhaps they may have an appetite towards that, but before I do that......is there a bad thing about having an urchin besides them eating coraline algae? What urchins are recommended to try in my 6 gallon cube??

Well in the meantime, here's some pics I took today of the new Tiger all over the Organ pipe...he almost looks camouflaged. I'll also include a foot pic of the sand sifter. See ya's for now :)

sifter star


Tiger Shrimp pics





 
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dragon79

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djconn said:
Nice shots dragon. So those shrimp are smaller than sexies? They look sooo tiny.
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that one is as small as one sexy. I have one bigger one that's about the size of a bigger sexy.
 
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incysor

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It may be that they don't recognize sand sifters as prey. In the wild the sand sifters would mostly be buried in the sandbed, so they wouldn't have much interaction...Just guessing. I've never tried to feed a sand sifter to my harlequin because they're more expensive than chocolate chip stars.

If you can find a small urchin I'd give it a try. They'll knock frags over, but other than that they don't do any damage. It might slowly starve in 6 gal. While they do eat coraline, they crush and grind it up and a lot goes free, so in most systems with urchins they are actually helping the coraline to spread around the tank at the same time they're eating it. The coraline can usually grow faster than they can eat it. In a small tank I'm not sure if there'll be enough rock for that to work or not. If the shrimps don't show any interest in them I'd pull it back out and take it back.

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dragon79

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incysor said:
It may be that they don't recognize sand sifters as prey. In the wild the sand sifters would mostly be buried in the sandbed, so they wouldn't have much interaction...Just guessing. I've never tried to feed a sand sifter to my harlequin because they're more expensive than chocolate chip stars.

If you can find a small urchin I'd give it a try. They'll knock frags over, but other than that they don't do any damage. It might slowly starve in 6 gal. While they do eat coraline, they crush and grind it up and a lot goes free, so in most systems with urchins they are actually helping the coraline to spread around the tank at the same time they're eating it. The coraline can usually grow faster than they can eat it. In a small tank I'm not sure if there'll be enough rock for that to work or not. If the shrimps don't show any interest in them I'd pull it back out and take it back.

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incysor, I found this link....what do you make of it??

http://www.reefimages.com/cgi-reefimage ... de=508.jpg

think it has any truth to it? ( i wrote to them but no response )

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Hey B, what kind of urchin species should I get......what small species would be a good candidate to try?

I was at the LFS, and I told the guy my problem about it not going after the sand sifter, even though at one point, the star came right at the Tiger Shrimp, and the shrimp crawled off of it, and went to a coral.....totally disregarded it. He told me if it didn't even attempt to, it may not even go for a urchin. He showed the urchins he had.....were pretty big...it was ugly and brown. (i forgot the name) He did tell me to try different foods though, so I bought some plankton food, krill, and silversides. At this point I'm willing to try anything. I fed with krill to start, and the two black clowns turned into sharks tearing that thing up as a team! my anemone shrimp went after it and tried to run off with it.....then that was that. I then tried the Plankton....plankton everybody loved, it even got the attention of the Tigers as they at last moved around as to reacting that food is in the water.....i didn't see them eat though....I'll try feeding again at the twilight hours and also try out the silversides, cut up a small piece and turn off the water current and see what happens.
 
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ghostbear29

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yellow ric

mine did the same thing. Though I still am having trouble getting it to fully open up. I moved it around the tank and I even tried more light but it still looks angry. this has gone on for about 4 mos. Good luck. Lemme know if anything worked for you. take care. 8)
 
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incysor

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Re: yellow ric

ghostbear29 said:
mine did the same thing. Though I still am having trouble getting it to fully open up. I moved it around the tank and I even tried more light but it still looks angry. this has gone on for about 4 mos. Good luck. Lemme know if anything worked for you. take care. 8)
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Are you talking about the organ pipe?

I've never had any luck with it. I've tried small pieces a couple times in the past and they just dwindled away.

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dragon79

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yo b

Incysor: That guy from the Queensland Centre for biodiversity emailed me back at last with this....

"Hi Steven,



I forwarded your message on to a shrimp colleague, but I am not sure if he answered you? I can’t help much more than you already know. I believe they are echinoderm predators, eating the tube feet. I find it hard to believe that they would lead to starfish/urchin mortality – probably more likely that they just graze and nip off anything that comes their way. Would be very interested in your observations if you put some ecinoderms in your tank for them.



Fantastically beautiful little shrimp though!



Sincerely,

Peter

P.J.F. Davie
Senior Curator (Crustacea)
Queensland Centre for Biodiversity
Queensland Museum, PO Box 3300, South Brisbane QLD Australia
Ph: 61.7.3840 7719 Fax: 61.7.3846 1226 Email: [email protected]

See my catalogues of Australian Crustacea in the Zoological Catalogue of Australia Volumes 19.3A and 19.3B
http://www.publish.csiro.au/books/bookp ... TEKEY=main

http://www.qmuseum.qld.gov.au/
"The Queensland Museum is valued as an innovative, exciting and accessible museum of science, environment and human experience of international standing".


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I was hoping he would have told me, but he is stumped as well and rather interested in my findings and observations with different methods. He states in his email that he forwarded my email to his colleague, but I haven't heard a peep from him yet... I wrote back to Peter thanking him, and I just simply asked what echinoderm he actually recommends to try at this point.
 
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ghostbear29

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slow poster!!

sorry in,
I was slow to the post button and everyone posted before me. I am now asking how his ric is doing. Mine was yello like that and now 3 mos. later is finally looking grey and green. But it still stays shriveled up. Not fully extending. As for the organ pipe. A buddy of mine has some in his tanks at the lfs. He moved them from the shrooms and zoos tank and put it in with the clams. They fully opened up! dunno what happened but man it is a nice specimen! :smile:
 
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