Bullied clown evolution of another pico 2.5 ( pics added )

[sadielynn]

Ha Ha Ed my temps are now 73.8 degrees steady HA HA
the new light and heater came yesterday and I cut an egg crate top to finish it off. I also did water testing and every thing came back good
Ammonia 0 ppm
nitrIte 0 ppm
nitrAte 10 ppm (would like a bit lower )
ph 8.2
spg 1.025
temp 73.8 degrees
so it seems that everything came together .... the water is a bit cloudy today since I had to move some rock to place the heater in but with the 2 filters it is 97% clear after about an hour .... I will post some pictures later :mrgreen:

 

[skipm]

What kind of light did you get? Is Mr Fugu still getting better? Post some pics with the new lighting.

 

[sadielynn]

Skip
it is a temp light for now I am looking at a few other options it is the odyssea pc lighting ........
I hope to get some pictures up soon on the unit I pretty much mirrored the 1st 2.5 that I didi ..........
Mr . Fugu is much calmer now and starting to show some new fin growth already ... I hope that he continues the progress at the pace that we have been . He underwent his first water change today and showed no fear of the tubes used (unlike when he was in the 7 gallon ) he was full of fear in the 7 gallon ....and refused to come out more than 2- or 3 minutes at a time now he refuses to hide :mrgreen:

 

[mikeguerrero]

Sadie,

Your trates are fine, I have 10 ppm in my tank but I worry because of my SPS. For fish and other corals 10 is very acceptable.

One way to lower them if you want is less feedings...

 

[sadielynn]

Mike thanks for the input on my trates I thought that since I had corals that it needed to be as low as possible but I dont believe that I have any intrest in sps corals just yet since I am so new and I dont think that I have the right conditions plus they are a bit harder to keep than zoas lps ,and shrooms .Yep in the 7 gallon it was 10 also that is a far cry from what they were with the red slime problem ..... I have cut the feedings to Monday Wednesday Friday and Sunday before a water change ......now Fugu is fed every day for the first week to boost his immune system then it will be the same as above ....since I am seeing marked improvement I may back off a bit sooner than a full week but it is a day by day thing . Now he is able to eat in peace unlike before . :mrgreen: As I said I have all the hope in the world for Fugu now that I didnt have at one time

 

[Jennie]

Mr Fugu is going to be back to clowning around soon with all that TLC he's receiving

 

[EDGRAY]

mmmm i haven't meet Mr. fugu can you post a pic sady i just now Mr.wiggles....or is the same one... anyways im glad that everything is looking better for you sady....

ed :cool1:

 

[sadielynn]

Ed
Go to the first page of the link there is Fugu

:mrgreen:

 

[EDGRAY]

You were right sorry that i didnt pay that much attention sady ... really cute clown.... and also why the first day or seconday you put the clown inn ...in the tank..... you always saying that they have to wait sometime even if the LR is cure why is that ??? any difference from the other guys??? just curiuous???? :?: :?:

edd :cool1:

p.s: sorry if sound like im judging you but im not just currious cause im thinking of doing a 2.5 g with some of my LR in the main tank that is for sure cured has been in my tank for 4 months or more know and of course im gonna change the lightning on the system that i got im planning just fish for this one and chaeto...

 

[sadielynn]

You were right sorry that i didnt pay that much attention sady ... really cute clown.... and also why the first day or seconday you put the clown inn ...in the tank..... you always saying that they have to wait sometime even if the LR is cure why is that ??? any difference from the other guys??? just curiuous???? :?: :?:

edd :cool1:

p.s: sorry if sound like im judging you but im not just currious cause im thinking of doing a 2.5 g with some of my LR in the main tank that is for sure cured has been in my tank for 4 months or more know and of course im gonna change the lightning on the system that i got im planning just fish for this one and chaeto...

Ed
Questions are good.... And I realize you are not trying to be judgmental here . Here is the reason behind what had unfolded .....
I had gotten the 2 clowns from my lfs same day and tank an hour apart , I acclimated them to the tank and with in a few days the one started picking on the other , I let this go for a while but it got to the point where one was constantly hiding (this was Fugu) while he was the smaller of the 2 the other would not allow him to eat at all .......again I watched and monitored this for 2 weeks Fugu became very thin his color was still good but he was afraid and hid all the time. So I had to make a decision either let him be bullied and starved to death or to try and save him the answer was easy save him ...........I pulled him out and placed him in qt .I got a 2.5 gallon tank and drained out about 2-3 gallons for him to hold and to set up the new tank...... I had gotten CONFIRMED cured rock that I knew was there for atleast 5 weeks .......I set up the tank and then dripped him in .... The reason every one says to wait is because it allows the tank to get ready for a fish with the bio load IE there will be some die off even from cured rock that will set off a cycle . But due to the urgency of this situation I could not wait . We had discussed the possibility of a new tank when we saw the bullying getting worse much worse. It was a damned if I do and a damned if I didnt situation so I had to atleast try . I see no wrong if you do something like this with cycled water and rock from an existing tank but do use caution monitor the leavels for a week then you should be ok , and allows the tank to clear ......Like I said there are so many things that can go wrong if you rush and do things quickly , if there is no urgency there is really no need to rush . This is where things go wrong , and get costly. As I said earlier in the post THIS IS ABSOLUTLEY NOT THE WAY TO SET UP A TANK period. This is my opinion and I do not wish to start a flame war or mislead new people that this can be done so and so quickly at that . The rewards are far greater by going slowly in this hobby not only by a well thought out tank but not as costly if you make a mistake ....there was a life at stake here that was the clincher ..Why rush and cause undue stress to the fish , and quite possibly the highest price of all......... a life .... that is why we say go slowly..... :mrgreen:

 

[EDGRAY]

ohh i see thx for the clear explanation but at the same time i feel like a bully you im sorry
Mr fugu has a great mom that cares about him. and also sady today my new schedule on feeding started thx again for helping me with that...

ed :cool1:

 

[sadielynn]

Not a problem .
You were not bullying me . I just want to make clear to all people that may read this that it was NOT the right way to do it....... You see people who read these sites need understand that rushing is not the way to go ........I think you are learning that now ,we have all been in square one at some point so dont be sorry if you needed a clearer explanation of something that is how we learn :mrgreen:

 

[mikeguerrero]

You never want to rush anything in the reefing world no matter how big or small the project is...

I rushed my powder blue into my 72 gallon reef, I didn't QT him at all and I didn't let him stay at the LFS for quality assurance.

I brought him home day one of his arrival from Sri Lanka.

He developed a couple of white spots on him, indication of ich and yesterday my blue tang had them on his body and was itching slightly.

I pulled out the pellets and started stuffing him again and he's eating a lot and this morning he has no spots.

But the powder blue does have a couple and since he's wild caught, he doesn't know how to feed flakes or pellets.

He is however feeding heavily off the live rock so that is good...

I'm doing my water change today and seeing how he does this week... worse case scenerio I'm back to No-Ich for another two weeks to lock in my fish once again...

Sorry Sadie, but this seemed an appropriate place to show ed what happens when we rush....

Mike

 

[EDGRAY]

thx for letting me know that even some of the best reefers rush sometimes we all have a impulsive purchase thx to god and of course to all of you guys i dont have that i doit slow know ... and everything being fine for almost 2 months with alot of fish again but not signs of ick or nothing so fare but i keep treating my tank everyother week with garlic just incase and well the only thing is my clown is developing same black spots like my other clowns that i have remember the black spots but since my last experience they will go away with time and garlic.... like last time.

eddy :cool1:

 

[sadielynn]

Mike
Don't apologize people need to know that there are consequences if you rush ...There are just so many things that can go wrong if you fly through it . I don't condone doing it the way I did at all , I have taken measures to protect Fugu.....and can do so if need be immideatly I also admit I was very very very lucky that things are going well with ours :mrgreen:

 

[mikeguerrero]

I've read up on the powder blue tang and discovered that they are indeed very prone to ich; one major factor being stress.

Well my PBT came pretty stressed from Sri Lanka and I just didn't give him the steps necessary to make the transition to my tank correctly.

He ate his first flakes yesterday, just a couple while his cousins ate everything; I hope that he learns from them because fish do mimic other fish.

As long as he is eating and swimming I'm pretty confident he is going to make it. He has 2 cleaner shrimps, 1 blood red shrimp, plenty of hiding spots with all the live rock; the live rock also has small vegatation that he picks.

He also has prestine water conditions and he's going to be getting an ozonizer installed in his home this week; I placed my order yesterday.

Hopefully I can erradicate some of the free floating ich through this process I'm looking forward to this edition to my reef.

Mike

 

[sadielynn]

Mike
I am keeping my fingers crossed (no need to tho he has a good daddy that takes care of his babies ) that Mr PBT makes a speedy and full recovery.....He is a very pretty fish ...I had a chance to see one at our lfs for the 1st time and I can see why they are popular....but alas I could not fit it into ours maybe if he had his own 2.5 :mrgreen:


(and before anyone flames me that was a JOKE I do not have nor do I want a tang!)

 

[EDGRAY]

:lol: :lol: your funny sadye.... and yes mike is a great dad ... he will do what it takes to keep him alive thats for sure......(i wish i had a dad like you "live stock on eddy's tank") :mrgreen:

eddy :cool1:

 

[aromano]

I've seen people taking all the necessary steps and precautions by placing their fish in a QT tank for 6 weeks, doing hyposalinity, copper and the whole 9 yards to ensure that the fish is parasite free and after all that effort, when it's finally time to place it in the new tank, the fish gets ich.

A lot if times a tank with several specimens all of which are free of any signs of the parasite, when a new fish is introduced the following day, white spots are observed in many cases, not only on the new introduction, but on one of established inhabitants as well.

In many cases fish that had been healthy for a long time, still have evidence of parasites under the skin. Evidently these had not found it necessary to reproduce and leave the fish, as no signs of disease had occurred over a long period of time.

As long as no unusual disturbance takes place, it will continue its existence, in harmony with its host. However when a new fish is introduced to the tank, often the established inhabitants become quite excited, feeling that the newcomer will in some way, take their space, eat their food, or even team up with their favorite fish companion.

This causes a chemical message to course its way through the fishes system, in much the same way as adrenalin causes us to become excited if we become frightened. This chemical message in some way alerts the parasite, which in effect says to itself, "Oh boy!, maybe I should get out from here, and look for a new host". The consequences are seen the next day, when it bores out from the host, leaving the telltale white spots.

 

[EDGRAY]

Thats really true andre and great info .. yeah i notice that ... that everytime i introduced any invertebrate or fish that happen so that's why when i get any invertebrate no matter if is a snail or coral or new fish i acclimate it first and then 3 or more hours later a do the garlic thing just in case... and i was wondering why was that and know i now thx to you andre....

eddy :cool1: