Aquatic Center is going out of business

Narkon'n'more

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Well Kenny told us he is closing the doors by Dec 31, if not before.

Last night it was 35% off all the livestock, everything.

He still has some nice stuff.

I am going to miss him, he was one of my favorite visits.
 

Purple Haze

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Hmm, i'm sure all of his liverock is gone by now...???

I might have to make the trek up there in a few weeks, if not sooner.
 

Narkon'n'more

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No, its not all gone now. And its over there not up there, he is SW Houston.

He said he will keep the doors open most-likely for 3 weeks, but never know.
 

incysor

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Purple Haze said:
Hmm, i'm sure all of his liverock is gone by now...???

I might have to make the trek up there in a few weeks, if not sooner.
I bought several pieces last night, he still had plenty of stuff although several pieces I wanted were on hold for other customers that evidently called in and asked for them. He said his goal is to be closed by the end of the year. I'll probably stop back through there towards the middle, and end of the month, just to see what's left.
 

Narkon'n'more

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Brain
Next time you go by give us a report on how Kenny is doing.

Seems everyone was just drooling at the plate but not buying it.
 

incysor

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Narkon'n'more said:
Brain
Next time you go by give us a report on how Kenny is doing.

Seems everyone was just drooling at the plate but not buying it.
When Shannen and I were in there last night there was another couple that bought a fire shrimp, a green bubble coral, and at least one other thing I didn't notice.

The only thing fish-wise that was tempting to me was the fu mancu dwarf lionfish. Unfortunately I don't really have space for him. I was interested in the chevron tang that Kenny had in the front tank, but someone had already claimed him. It seemed that out of every 3-4 corals I tried to pick out at least 1 was already spoken for. Both the yuma ricordias that he had last weekend were gone. You of course got the purple plate coral that Shannen wanted. :wink:
There were a couple other people that came in as we were leavingand seemed to be picking up something or another.
Honestly I'd rather he didn't close at all, but as long as he is, I'm hoping that later on in the month some of the on-hold pieces will come free again as people don't pick them up. There were also a couple large pieces of frospawn and/or hammer that I was eyeing, but we spent more money than we were planning on as it was, so I decided not to push my luck with the wife. :D

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djconn

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I went there today. Sad to see him leave. Just when you find a good LFS, they close :cry: . Yeah, he was giving me everything 30-40% off. When I first got there, there were maybe 3 people in the store. When I left, about an hour later, there were easily 25-30 people in there. It was pretty hectic. Lots of corals were being sold. I picked up a few hermits and some digital thermometers. There is still lots of live rock left. Actually, more than I've ever seen there. Still plenty of corals.

I'll prob. go back later in the month to see how he's doing.
 

Narkon'n'more

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Well we really hate to see him go, but after talking to him several times, I have to say, I don't blame him at all. Global would get out if they could find a buyer but it is to expensive, and John said this year sales have really been bad.

He told me the last few days he would probalby be giving somethings away.

Just have to wait, and I know what you mean about already spending more than planned, we didn't have planned to buy any coral this month, so we over spent just on the one.
 

incysor

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Narkon'n'more said:
Well we really hate to see him go, but after talking to him several times, I have to say, I don't blame him at all. Global would get out if they could find a buyer but it is to expensive, and John said this year sales have really been bad.

He told me the last few days he would probalby be giving somethings away.

Just have to wait, and I know what you mean about already spending more than planned, we didn't have planned to buy any coral this month, so we over spent just on the one.
My understanding is that most of the stores have a sort of gentlemans agreement to not bring prices down below a certain point. This makes sense after a huge price war in the area a few years ago that was before my time. However in the past year City Pets has started to ignored the agreement. They bring in a ton more stuff than the other stores can hold, then price it just a tad over cost. They are more aware than most of the hobbyists that nearly ALL the fish stores are for sale, so their goal is to try to run as many out of business as they can. Once they do, their prices won't be as low as people have gotten used to. Frankly thier customer service sucks, and if they manage to put most of the others out of business then raise their prices I'll do most of my shopping online.
 

Narkon'n'more

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That sound about what I heard to. Of course I have done all I can but, well I just don't have the money to help out any more that i currently do, which isn't much, but to promote it to everyone I know as best I can.
 

djconn

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In City Pets defense, I do shop there occasionally. Its very cheap, easy to get to and it is what it is. Don't expect to get good advice or fast/friendly service there. They have tons of stuff at good prices and that is just about it. I've grown to be comfortable with that. I think that the inexperienced reefer will pay extra somewhere else to get good solid advice on something. And sometimes, I will as well. But when I'm just looking for a cheap powerhead, City Pets works just fine.

So is Kenny selling his place? He told me that it was 'just not his time' and was basically liquidating.
 

incysor

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djconn said:
In City Pets defense, I do shop there occasionally. Its very cheap, easy to get to and it is what it is. Don't expect to get good advice or fast/friendly service there. They have tons of stuff at good prices and that is just about it. I've grown to be comfortable with that. I think that the inexperienced reefer will pay extra somewhere else to get good solid advice on something. And sometimes, I will as well. But when I'm just looking for a cheap powerhead, City Pets works just fine.

So is Kenny selling his place? He told me that it was 'just not his time' and was basically liquidating.
I agree that their prices are usually the best in town, and their location is very convenient for me being right next to the freeway. These pretty much are the only reasons to shop there. My concern is that if they manage to run enough of the other shops around them out of business then their prices are going to get jacked back up, and with a few exceptions I don't think their livestock is as healthy or as well maintained as the other stores. They've already managed to put down Fish World, which I always was able to find very healthy corals at a decent price. Now aquaticcenter is on it's way out. Global isn't doing well financially.
That leaves T&T, and Fish Land. Well there's also Fish Ranch as well, but I don't really go there, cause their prices are ridiculous, and their livestock always looks like hell.

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djconn

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Agreed. I was wondering what ever happend to Fish World. That place had great prices and very healthy corals. I thought I was the only person who ever went there :lol:
 

Purple Haze

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My understanding is that most of the stores have a sort of gentlemans agreement to not bring prices down below a certain point.
It's my understanding that this act is illegal.

I'll have to look into it further to make sure.
 

incysor

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Purple Haze said:
My understanding is that most of the stores have a sort of gentlemans agreement to not bring prices down below a certain point.
It's my understanding that this act is illegal.

I'll have to look into it further to make sure.
Yes, price fixing is illegal. However proving it's going on is nearly impossible unless someone's stupid enough to write things down.

All of this is hearsay, and conjecture, and rumor, but a lot of it makes sense.

The fact is that many of the fish store owners in that part of town know one another, some of them are actually related. They're gonna talk to one another, and from what I've heard, (although I couldn't prove it.), they often get together to make very large purchases to save on freight charges. Owning a fish store isn't a way to get rich, and most of these guys are just scraping by. They honestly still compete in pricing. You are not going to go into one store and find EVERYTHING is the same price as at one of the other stores. But you will find that in 4 out of 5 sailfin tangs are gonna go for $18-$25. Go across town to some of the other stores and they might be $15, or more likely $40. Each store seems to have a different 'focus' if you will. So one store might have more SPS than the others, or more LPS, or more inverts, etc... I don't think what they're doing is illegal, and even if it was, good luck trying to figure it out, much less prove it. From the outside it looks just like normal consumer-driven-pricing.
From stories I've heard, about 4yrs ago a young kid who was a major p*thead opened a store where Fish World used to be. The guy totally knew his stuff about keeping fish, he managed to bring in stuff that was fairly uncommon in Houston, his tanks looked good, and all his livestock did well. The thing was, he wasn't any good at business. Remember the p*thead comment? He would get shipments in, if something hadn't sold in about a week or so, he'd get paranoid that his prices were too high, and drop them below his cost. He evidently was open for about a year, and he set off a huge price war in that part of town because he didn't know what he was doing. He nearly drove all the stores on that side of town out of business because everyone ended up having to sell stuff below or at their cost.
To give you an example my friend stocked his 180, reasonably full for less than $1000. That includes his liverock. The guy was selling grade A croceas and maximas for $10-$15.
After he inevitably went under the rest of the shops prices remarkably stabilized overnight.
In the past year City Pets prices have dropped quite a bit. I've had more than one person say that they're trying to drive everyone else on that side of town out of business. So far I think they're plan appears to be working, 2 of the other 5 will be gone by years end.
Nothing CP is doing is illegal, or really even unethical. It doesn't change the fact that they're driving several stores out of business that know much more about caring for SW tanks, and have MUCH better customer service.
 

Narkon'n'more

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Well Tony carried good stuff at Fish World (the last owner, I didn't know the one before that), but he had low prices on to much of his stock, and to make it you need somethings low, but others higher to make up your lost for the low priced items.

What helps CP make it is there non fish stuff.

John has said that he lost a lot of the tank maintance that he was doing, and that the actually sales are down to. He has said that a fish store really needs that other business that the non fish stuff brings in.

Now I haven't talked to any of the other store owners about actual business besides John and Kenny. When me and Stefanie talked to Kenny about the store, and asked if he would sale to us, he told us as a business person yes, but as our friend and wanting to see us contunie to make a living, the answer would be a big N O.

But T&T said they were not doing good enough to give MARSH its 150$ contribution item that it had agreed to in the contract that it has with MARSH. He told me if MARSH would send him a lot of customers then he would be able to afford it, but currently business isn't good enough.

So you might be right about some more shutting down.
 

Narkon'n'more

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Well I really can't say if it is worth it, for me it is the most remote from me, but I think it gets some nice peices in, and normally a nice selection of fish, of course now saying that I have never been to Fish Land.

But I think the two might become part of my store route.
 

incysor

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djconn said:
I've never been to T&T. Is it worth the drive?
They often have a somewhat different selection from the rest of the stores. Especially inverts, and smaller fish. I generally like to hit them and Fish Land on the same trip, since they're fairly close to one another.
 

djconn

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Man, we all need to carpool to the fish stores sometime. We could get a big van and put a big sticker on the side reading "Reef Store Vanpool". I bet I go through a tank of gas just checking out various LFS on a random Sunday. :lol:
 
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