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mikeguerrero
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Here are some more videos on my reef and the introduction of Dragons two Black Ocellaris clowns.
Mike G
Click here to watch Nemo-and-friends
Click here to watch Sideshot-movement
Click here to watch Following-Nemo
Click here to watch Feather-Duster-opens
Mike G
Click here to watch Nemo-and-friends
Click here to watch Sideshot-movement
Click here to watch Following-Nemo
Click here to watch Feather-Duster-opens
mikeguerrero
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Here is another video of my tank but it's at a distance and I zoom in so you can get a relative idea how big she really is, enjoy.
Mike G
Click here to watch Tankzoomed31
Mike G
Click here to watch Tankzoomed31
mikeguerrero
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I did another full tank video from left to right, if you look closely I added two new SPS corals.
Enjoy,
Mike G
Click here to watch FullTankVideo
Enjoy,
Mike G
Click here to watch FullTankVideo
aromano
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Mike,
I was wondering if you have a QT tank setup to house your new comers before they are introduced to the main display. I was thinking of setting up a 20 gallon QT tank to ensure the fish are healthy and adapt to captivity, especially for the blue tang and yellow tang I want to eventually introduce, which are more prone to get ich, but I am not sure it will be necessary.
I was wondering if you have a QT tank setup to house your new comers before they are introduced to the main display. I was thinking of setting up a 20 gallon QT tank to ensure the fish are healthy and adapt to captivity, especially for the blue tang and yellow tang I want to eventually introduce, which are more prone to get ich, but I am not sure it will be necessary.
mikeguerrero
Active Member
Andre,
No I don't have a QT tank and really believe I should. QT is so important when introducing fish into a large reef for several reasons but the main one being Ich.
From experience I will tell you what I went through for not having a QT tank. As you know I have 20 fish in my reef, 8 of which are Chromis.
Okay, as day 1 approached to add my fish you have to remember that I had a 20 gallon holding tank where all my fish were at from my two 12 gallon cubes.
They were all added in on the same day and they consisted of 2 percs, 2 yoshi gobies, 1 sixline wrasse, 1 orchid dottyback, and 1 blue damsel.
They all acclimated well into the main reef and because I had owned them for a long time ich free, they never showed any signs of illness, keeping my tank contamination free.
After 1 month I get the desire to purchase all tangs for a certain theme I want. And here is how the problems occured.
Yellow tang came first from one LFS, dropped him in no problem for one week.
I also decide on 8 blue chromis from yet another LFS and drop all of them in with positive results for two weeks no more fish.
Then I go to yet another LFS and pick up a Kole Tang and a Cheveron Tang, drop them in and no problems for another week.
Then I go back to my LFS where I purchased my yellow tang and pick up a blue tang and bring him home and cross my fingers as I drop him in, no problem for 1 week.
Wow, I say, this is fun and easy, forget QT tanks; and I decide on picking up an hawian algae blenny with again no problems at the LFS where the yellow tang and blue tang came from.
So I'm riding high with healthy fish and I fall in love with the rare tomini tang and get him at my LFS where the Cheveron and Kole came from.
I drop him in the tank and in two days I notice some white mucous on his side and dismiss it as a small scratch; THEN ON THE NEXT DAY MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN AS MY WIFE SAYS, HONEY LOOK AT YOUR BLUE TANG HE IS SCRATCHING AND FULL OF WHITE DOTS.
Oh no, ich has been introduced into my tank and then I see the algae blenny scracthing as well, then the six line starts to scratch.
I then research on the internet all types of remedies and decide I will go with NO ICH medicine along with some cleaner shrimp. I had used the NO ICH in the past with some good results.
So I go and make the purchase as I'm not letting any days advance on my reef with the ICH. I shut off the skimmer and remove my carbons and I dose as per instructions until the medicine is gone.
Then I go and puchase another bottle and dose hard again untill the bottle is empty; I also raise the temp in my tank to 83 degrees from my usual 77 degrees to have the ich go through it's stages quicker.
I also feed heavily flakes dozed with garlic and pellets that build on the immune system, I am to keep these guys fat and give there bodies a good chance on fighting the ich.
And all my fish have appetites like you wouldn't believe including the ich infested blue tang; he's eating like crazy and itching like crazy.
So I take off to Orange County on Thanksgiving and my wife says I bet when we come back the blue tang is dead.
We come back with from vacation 4 days later and all are swimming and happy eating and looking better. The blue tang goes through three more outbreaks of ich but each one is smaller and smaller and he seems to be dealing with it good.
My brother had given me his two black ocelleris clowns and I drop them in and remove my other two clowns; and the larger female develops a small white dot on top of her dorsal fin.
But I feed heavily and she eats and eats and it goes away completely within one week.
Today my tank is ich free of symptoms and all my fish are pigs and healthy as can be. It was amazing that none of my other tangs ever developed ich during the outbreak.
What I did learn is that the meds that are out for reef tanks do not kill ich, they just boost the immune system of the fish, giving them a better resistance against the ich outbreak.
Copper is the only real proven med that will kill ich.
My fish stayed healthy because I was on top of them during the outbreak, but it was a lot of heahache and having gone through that would recommend a simple but unique QT if you are going to add a lot of fish like me.
I hope this was informative for you Andre,
Mike G
No I don't have a QT tank and really believe I should. QT is so important when introducing fish into a large reef for several reasons but the main one being Ich.
From experience I will tell you what I went through for not having a QT tank. As you know I have 20 fish in my reef, 8 of which are Chromis.
Okay, as day 1 approached to add my fish you have to remember that I had a 20 gallon holding tank where all my fish were at from my two 12 gallon cubes.
They were all added in on the same day and they consisted of 2 percs, 2 yoshi gobies, 1 sixline wrasse, 1 orchid dottyback, and 1 blue damsel.
They all acclimated well into the main reef and because I had owned them for a long time ich free, they never showed any signs of illness, keeping my tank contamination free.
After 1 month I get the desire to purchase all tangs for a certain theme I want. And here is how the problems occured.
Yellow tang came first from one LFS, dropped him in no problem for one week.
I also decide on 8 blue chromis from yet another LFS and drop all of them in with positive results for two weeks no more fish.
Then I go to yet another LFS and pick up a Kole Tang and a Cheveron Tang, drop them in and no problems for another week.
Then I go back to my LFS where I purchased my yellow tang and pick up a blue tang and bring him home and cross my fingers as I drop him in, no problem for 1 week.
Wow, I say, this is fun and easy, forget QT tanks; and I decide on picking up an hawian algae blenny with again no problems at the LFS where the yellow tang and blue tang came from.
So I'm riding high with healthy fish and I fall in love with the rare tomini tang and get him at my LFS where the Cheveron and Kole came from.
I drop him in the tank and in two days I notice some white mucous on his side and dismiss it as a small scratch; THEN ON THE NEXT DAY MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN AS MY WIFE SAYS, HONEY LOOK AT YOUR BLUE TANG HE IS SCRATCHING AND FULL OF WHITE DOTS.
Oh no, ich has been introduced into my tank and then I see the algae blenny scracthing as well, then the six line starts to scratch.
I then research on the internet all types of remedies and decide I will go with NO ICH medicine along with some cleaner shrimp. I had used the NO ICH in the past with some good results.
So I go and make the purchase as I'm not letting any days advance on my reef with the ICH. I shut off the skimmer and remove my carbons and I dose as per instructions until the medicine is gone.
Then I go and puchase another bottle and dose hard again untill the bottle is empty; I also raise the temp in my tank to 83 degrees from my usual 77 degrees to have the ich go through it's stages quicker.
I also feed heavily flakes dozed with garlic and pellets that build on the immune system, I am to keep these guys fat and give there bodies a good chance on fighting the ich.
And all my fish have appetites like you wouldn't believe including the ich infested blue tang; he's eating like crazy and itching like crazy.
So I take off to Orange County on Thanksgiving and my wife says I bet when we come back the blue tang is dead.
We come back with from vacation 4 days later and all are swimming and happy eating and looking better. The blue tang goes through three more outbreaks of ich but each one is smaller and smaller and he seems to be dealing with it good.
My brother had given me his two black ocelleris clowns and I drop them in and remove my other two clowns; and the larger female develops a small white dot on top of her dorsal fin.
But I feed heavily and she eats and eats and it goes away completely within one week.
Today my tank is ich free of symptoms and all my fish are pigs and healthy as can be. It was amazing that none of my other tangs ever developed ich during the outbreak.
What I did learn is that the meds that are out for reef tanks do not kill ich, they just boost the immune system of the fish, giving them a better resistance against the ich outbreak.
Copper is the only real proven med that will kill ich.
My fish stayed healthy because I was on top of them during the outbreak, but it was a lot of heahache and having gone through that would recommend a simple but unique QT if you are going to add a lot of fish like me.
I hope this was informative for you Andre,
Mike G
aromano
New Member
Mike,
Thank you so much for the very detailed explanation about how things have been developing in your tank. This is very valuable information for me, and all the reefers trying to provide a healthier and better place for our critters.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write about the topic, and this is definitely a good reference guide for all of us. I do have a 20-gallon tank laying around, and I am seriously thinking of finding a place to set it up, even though this will be the fourth tank in my one bedroom apartment
It's a good idea to have a QT tank setup for new comers and fish that eventually will need to be treated.
P.S. The main reason I worried about it is because I’ve had a 90 gallon tank in the past, when I was a little more inexperienced and had a massive ich outbreak w/ a blue tang that was introduced.
Thank you so much for the very detailed explanation about how things have been developing in your tank. This is very valuable information for me, and all the reefers trying to provide a healthier and better place for our critters.
I really appreciate you taking the time to write about the topic, and this is definitely a good reference guide for all of us. I do have a 20-gallon tank laying around, and I am seriously thinking of finding a place to set it up, even though this will be the fourth tank in my one bedroom apartment
It's a good idea to have a QT tank setup for new comers and fish that eventually will need to be treated.
P.S. The main reason I worried about it is because I’ve had a 90 gallon tank in the past, when I was a little more inexperienced and had a massive ich outbreak w/ a blue tang that was introduced.
mikeguerrero
Active Member
Andre,
With the 90 gallon tank that had ich, did it wipe out your population?
Mike G
With the 90 gallon tank that had ich, did it wipe out your population?
Mike G
aromano
New Member
The ich got really bad w/ the blue tang I introduced to the system, his immune system got weaker and weaker and he did die. The infestation got out of control and spreaded it to all my fish, which all died a few weeks later.
I was a lot more inexperienced back them and lost a Blue Girdled Angelfish, a Blue Tang, a Bird Wrasse, a Royal Gramma and a Purple Fire Fish. I had the set up for about ten months and everything was doing well until I introduced the tang and things started going down hill.
The only survivors were two tank raised clowns, but since it's a lot harder to treat a larger system, I decided to get my first JBJ Nano Cube Original (2003 model) which was set up as a hospital tank for the clowns. The clowns did get better after I treated them w/ copper.
I was a lot more inexperienced back them and lost a Blue Girdled Angelfish, a Blue Tang, a Bird Wrasse, a Royal Gramma and a Purple Fire Fish. I had the set up for about ten months and everything was doing well until I introduced the tang and things started going down hill.
The only survivors were two tank raised clowns, but since it's a lot harder to treat a larger system, I decided to get my first JBJ Nano Cube Original (2003 model) which was set up as a hospital tank for the clowns. The clowns did get better after I treated them w/ copper.
mikeguerrero
Active Member
Wow,
Thanks for sharing that Andre, did you treat your tank with any types of reef safe medication? Or was this a FOWLR and you did copper treatments?
Mike
Thanks for sharing that Andre, did you treat your tank with any types of reef safe medication? Or was this a FOWLR and you did copper treatments?
Mike
aromano
New Member
It was a FOWLR tank, but the only thing I tried was fresh water dips, increase the temperature to 84 degrees and soak their food w/ garlic to increase their appetite. I didn't want to treat the large tank w/ copper, which was a wise idea. After copper is introduced to the tank you can never have any corals or inverts again.
mikeguerrero
Active Member
Very true about the copper safe medication in a large tank. My experience is if you can catch ich on first time appearance you have a better chance of kicking it if you attack it early.
In the past I didn't know that there was reef safe meds to help ich infested reefs and I watched in agony as my first set of fish died in my early years in nano reefing.
It was sad seeing them die and I couldn't do anything other than build a QT tank and I didn't and took the loss.
Mike G
In the past I didn't know that there was reef safe meds to help ich infested reefs and I watched in agony as my first set of fish died in my early years in nano reefing.
It was sad seeing them die and I couldn't do anything other than build a QT tank and I didn't and took the loss.
Mike G
For what it's worth I've treated my reef tanks with both garlic, and kick-ich with good results. The garlic is much cheaper, but does make your house smell like garlic if you have a larger system. I think that fresh water dips generally do more harm than good. It just further stresses out fish who's immune system is already having a hard time fighting off ich. Not to mention the stress of actually capturing the fish. I've only done it once, and only then because the fish was one of my most fearless, and so capturing it wasn't really an added stress.
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aromano
New Member
Very true about fresh water dips. I also only tried it once and it did stress the fish to the point that next morning it was dead. The dips tend to do more harm than good, even if the fresh water parameters are very close to the saltwater. I think a good strategy is providing an environment as stress free as possible, feed the fish well w/ nutritional foods and vitamins to bust their immune system and they should be able to recover on their own. If the fish doesn't start to get better within a couple of days, I try to isolate the fish in a QT tank until it recovers from the parasites.
mikeguerrero
Active Member
Hey Reefers,
Here is an update on my tank; I took several pictures at a distance and then close ups. I feel I'm starting to get maturity with my purple coraline.
Mike G.
Here is an update on my tank; I took several pictures at a distance and then close ups. I feel I'm starting to get maturity with my purple coraline.
Mike G.