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sadielynn

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hey guys
I have a clarkki clown fish juvi I believe around 6months old
he has been housed in a pico with regular h2o changes weekly. at about 50 % at a time . Well tonight when I went in to check on him he was on his side breathing heavy . Not looking good , I placed a frog spawn that was traumatized during a drop in to the tank to heal . The frogspawn is not doin to well I also have a torch coral in the tank that is doing well . So I removed the frogspawn and went ahead and did a 50% change again tonite ( did one yesterday) Now he ate fine today could he have been stung ? Or is the frogspawn giving off toxins ? Tests as follows as of 7pm est tonight
ammonia 0
nitrAte 10
nitrIte 0
high ph 8.4
spg 1.026
I honestly dont think that he will live the night but is there any thing I should be doing for Mr Wiggles to help him ?
 
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could it be that your clarkii is suffering from an internal infection? I'm not so sure about this but have you tried the freshwater dip? Your water parameters are clean to me, so the only thing I could think of is parasites.....if he seems to be deteriorating fast, medication wont be of any help at this point. What I would do...if I were 100% sure that it'll die, I'll take the chance of doing the freshwater dip....but thats just my opinion...I may be wrong..
 
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sadielynn

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no no parasites that I can tell of but I was thinking sting maybe ?? He almost died about 3 months ago and kicked back so far he is still alive
 
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incysor

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I generally think that freshwater dips are more stressful than they are helpful. Especially if the fish is already sick/stressed. 50% water change is a large fast change for a fish/coral to adapt to. Even if you're correcting a problem, they've had time to adjust to the problem parameters, and may need some time to adjust back to the new correct parameters. I'd add a drop of iodine if you have any, and perhaps an airstone to make sure that there's plenty of O2 exchange going on.

A clown is pretty much proof against a torch corals sting. The're evolved to deal with the much stronger sting of anemones. I've never seen one any clown run into any of the euphillia family and be bothered by it.

Sorry to hear the little guy is having issues.

I'm assuming since you had the torch in there that you have sand/rock/other corals, and wouldn't want to dose the tank with a medication.

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dragon79

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i agree with incysor. add the airstone, lacking oxygen it sounds like. Start there and monitor. Best of luck.
 
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I agree in that I doubt it was the frogspawn thats bothering the little guy. Good luck with him.
 
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sadielynn

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thanks guys
I dont have an Iodine test kit to test Iodine and the only Iodine that I have is drug store iodine ,(not sure if I can use that )
Inysor you are correct in that I do have the corals . I have a frogspawn that I put in today (actually yesterday at this point that was starting to recede an not doing well at all ) could he have put off some toxins ?The clown was doing fine up untill I put in the frogspawn . Is the air stone necessary with 2 power heads at 75 gph and 2 filters running if so I will get one later today . As of 319 am today he is still going still breathing funny tho, I will be dosing garlic today too as it seemed to have helped him before,cant hurt at this point , I just dont want to loose mr wiggles :sad:
 
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I would suggest that you had an amnonia spike (even though your test didn't show it or you missed it) cause by the addition, and the corrective actions you have taken - airstone and water change - are the best that you can do - good luck
 
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sadielynn

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thanks john I am also thinking possible poisoning I had been cleaning (no sprays) but I am wondering if I had residue on my hand that did not come off during washing and I had to set up the one coral that fell over I normally wear gloves but fail to this time ( I didnt even think of that when I posted but I went over it in my mind several times and got to thinking that maybe I did have something on my hand I cant remember wether it was before I started cleaning or after that I had my hand in the tank.)
 
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incysor

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If you've got two filters running then you should have plenty of O2 exchange going on. I'd do another large water change, but I'd do it slowly. Easy to do on a pico. Just drain 50%, then set a dripline from your new saltwater dripping into the tank. That way any new parameters aren't a sudden shock.

The pale color could just be it's normal sleeping color. Lots of fish change their color pretty dramatically when they sleep. My mandarins look grey and dead, my midas blenny actually ends up with large pink stripes.

I think it's a good sign that it's still alive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

One sort of last minute attempt might be to take some tank water, put it in a small dish with something for it to hide behind and dose the water with antibiotics. Just put him in the water for a few hours, then put him back in the tank. Just don't mix the antibiotic water back into the tank.

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sadielynn

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Thanks incysor I have never seen him change color except the one time that he almost croaked, do I do another change today on the tank since I did one on sunday , monday ? So I dont need to add the air stone then. I will look for antibotics for him tonight .. He is still hanging in still not eating but I did feed the corals some cyclop-eeze so he is getting some food I would guess .... his color is looking better today than it did last night ... Thanks to ALL who have given input in and are pulling for my Mr Wiggles
 
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sadielynn

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Incysor
as of 315 am today Mr Wiggles is still hanging tough
should I continue the water changes till he recovers
but not do as large of change?
His breathing is still a little on the fast side and he is still not intrested in food,
I could not find any antibotics at any of our lps here , so I dosed him with garlic.
I think that some where I read garlic stimulates the appitite , and helps to kill if they have it (which he shows no sign of ick) should I continue the every other day
garlic ( 1 Gel tab mixed into his food) ? And water changes can I back down the ammount of h20 change or should I keep it at a 50% untill he starts to improve
 
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incysor

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Garlic gels, and liquids aren't as effective as fresh crushed garlic.

The active compound, allicin, doesn't last long, so any store-bought preperation isn't gonna work as well.

When we were treating a beta we asked one of the LFS owners that I trust which antibiotic we should try. And he asked if we had any human antibiotics. We happened to have amoxicillin. He said to use about a 4th of a pill, and just mix it up in a gallon of water and put the beta in that. We did, and the beta ended up just fine. I don't know how well this would work for marine fish.

My concern is that this doesn't sound like ich. It may be some other type of parasite or a bacterial infection, so the garlic may not work as well.

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sadielynn

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update as of 9am today Mr Wiggles is swimming more actively he is still sitting on the bottom (I think he does become more active when I am in the room) and he actually ate some pellets today and I will try to use some brine tonite ..... As for the fresh garlic I cant have it in the house I get sick from the smell , he seems better after his dose of garlic last night , I will do another 50% water change tonight and dose some more garlic gels tomorrow . I am allergic to amoxicillin and the cillin drug family so we dont have that , He is marked in improvemet today so I am leary of adding any meds at this point ..... I am almost sure at this point to almost 98% that it was a poisoning of sorts ... so getting the water changed and the filters changed every 3 or so days I think will be the best way
 
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incysor

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Glad to hear he's doing a bit better.

Are you running carbon in the filters? If not it would probably be a good idea.

Definitely continue with more slow water changes if you have the water handy.

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