Prep questions for a 10g with a 10g sump.

TimSchmidt

New Member
Hello all,
I have been reading up on reefcentral on nanotanks and was directed to this site (which has been very helpful from just reading other posts). Here are a couple of questions I have about my first setup.

The general layout is a ten gallon tank with a ten gallon sump. I have already drilled the display tank and have a cone filter to keep a single snail from clogging it. I purchased a via aquapump 1300 for my return pump. I plan on using a 50w titanium heater in the sump in the refugium area (is there a better spot?). My plumbing plan is to have the display tank overflow go directly off a 90 degree turn and go down at slight angle to help reduce noise (if there is a better way to keep noise down cheap please let me know). The water will enter one chamber in the sump with LR rubble and then overflow into a refugium with Chaeto (sp?) LR and LS.

Here is my first question: Is a dense sand bed beneficial to corals that feed like sun corals and frogspawn? Or should I just have 2" of sand or just bare bottom?

I would love to have either a hammer or frogspawn with a sun coral as the two "main" corals in my tank with maybe one or two small fish. I like the blennies that look like they walk along the sand bed (brownish color will post a name when I find it) and maybe a clown fish (seemed a nice small fish that could provide movement and maybe host in the frogspawn or hammer... hey it could happen right?).

Returning to the setup, from the refugium the water would go through a set of three baffles to help reduce micro bubbles and then go up the return pump where I would have it split to two lines, one going up to the display tank and the other going back to the refugium, on both sides of this tee I will install ball valves so I can tune how much flow I have in the display without putting any strain on the pump. Plus it should make water change time a bit easier. I have a lock line for the return part in the display.

Ok next question, should I run a skimmer on this proposed setup? I think that the frogspawn or hammer and sun coral would do better in water that is not skimmed of all of the protein. Is this right or should I use a skimmer to help keep the water clean? (I don't want to hurt the corals just because I'm a newbie).

For lights I planned on using the 20" 1x96W Coralife Aqualight CF hood w/ Quad 50/50 using the adjustable mounting legs.

Ok... Thank you very much for putting up with this horrendously long post :wlift but any suggestions or help would be very much appreciated.

Tim Schmidt
 

skipm

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Staff member
First off :welcome to nanotank!!
I think you have the right idea so far, for quiet overflows check out a stockman or durso overflow (the dursos are real quiet, I haven't tried a stockman but they are also supposed to be quiet). Just do a search for durso overflows and you should get plenty of hits. BTW they are both made of a few PVC fittings so they are very inexpensive to make.
I would just go with a 1-2" sandbed, a deep sandbed really doens't work out well in a nanotank.
I would also probably run this tank skimmerless, just do a weekly 10% water change (at least) and you eliminate the need for a skimmer.
It is possible for a clownfish to host in a coral like you mentioned but it is up to the clown. I have heard of clowns hosting on magnet cleaners and powerheads, its kind of a hit or miss as to whether your will go to the coral or not.
I would probably not place the heater in the refugium but rather in with the return pump or where the water first enters if there is an area before the refugium.
 

EDGRAY

New Member
:welcome and also skimp is righ just keep with water changes and you wont need a skimmer.... and also about hosting i have a frogspawn and a torch and clown didnt like them he hosted a orange shrooms same color as he.... really weird all depends on them.. my first nemo hosted my hairy shooms i dont know but my clowns tend to host shrooms more than anything else in my tank.... and you dont need to worry about writting a book... that's what all of us are here for ...to help you in the best way we can.... and look at liveaquaria.com maybe you can find the goby that you want so you can share the name...

eddy :cool1:
 

TimSchmidt

New Member
Wow thanks EDGRAY! That site is super newbie friendly. And I found the blenny I was talking about. It is called the lawnmower blenny, however I don't think I'll put him in. Instead I found two fish I like. Any comments on compatibility would be appreciated. The Firefish and the Red Sea Mimic blenny. How about a clean up crew? I was thinking

3-4 turbo snails
3-4 nassarious snails
2-3 red footed conches
5-6 hermit crabs (not sure what kind to get suggestions please?)
Cleaner shrimp (any particular kind I should get?)

Corals I would like include:

Sun Coral (I'll wait a bit for tank to establish... not sure how long I will hold out though)
Frogspawn
Red open brain
Colt Soft Coral
Yellow Leather Soft Coral
Maybe some Xenia...

Comments please I would like to NOT kill anything...

Tim Schmidt
 

EDGRAY

New Member
the hermits that i recomend are the blue legs really hard workers and get small nassarius if possible and a good snails workers are the astrea snails same family from the turbo...

and cleaner shimp i just know 2... the cleaner shrimp and the fire shrimp....so is up to you...watch out with firefish if you dont have a lid in your tank might jump... really a jumper.


eddy :cool1:
 

EDGRAY

New Member
i like more the astreas cause they are smaller and the turbo too big but never experience with turbo but im really :shock: :shock: with my astreas they are working all the time....

eddy :cool1:
 

skipm

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Staff member
Go with the astreas, turbotend to act like bulldozers in small tanks knocking stuff over.
 

skipm

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Staff member
I am not familiar with a red footed conch but speaking generally conchs get too big for a nano and need alot of sandbed in order to feed and usually starve in a nano. Do some more research on these before buying.
 

TimSchmidt

New Member
Yeah guess they can get to about 40mm so they are out. Here is my revised clean up crew:

3 astreas snails
4 nassarious snails
5 blue leg hermit crabs
1 Cleaner shrimp

If anyone has an opinion please tell. I unfortunately have to wait until April before I can set this up. :anxious Selling my current house and buying a new one, doesn't seem right to set up cycle then tear down just to reset up and cycle.

When cleaning the tank in a saltwater do you siphon sand like you do the gravel in freshwater?
 

EDGRAY

New Member
MMMM yeah... but good luck and yes that sounds perfect remember small nassarius.... and you will love the cleaner shrimp ... they tend to ride your hand i love when mine does that except when im traing to fix my aquascape and he gets on my way i think he is in love with my hand..:lol:

eddy :cool1:
 

reefman23

New Member
Personally I would go with a couple of the large nassarius species...you get better turning of the sand as opposed to the small species...good cleanup crew list otherwise.

Jesse
 

EDGRAY

New Member
ok ok lets all be happy about it 4 big nassarius and 2 small nassarius that's the way i went for but know i have 10 bi and 2 small :lol: :lol:


eddy:cool1:
 

TimSchmidt

New Member
Thanks for the info on the cleaning crew! How about cleaning the tank? Do you siphon LS? I am having a hard time finding a stand I like so I'm going to see if I can get one custom built. (I don't have the tools needed otherwise I would do it)

You all have been very helpful, thank you very much. Anyone have any opinions on auto top offs? I found a glug jug setup that seemed fool proof, so what gives. If it is so fool proof why are there electronic top offs? Anyone have any experience (good or bad) with this?

Tim Schmidt
 

reefman23

New Member
You dont need to syphon the LS...the cleanup crew and your water current should take care of that. Actually, you dont want to disturb the sand much deeper than 1/2" or so.

the ATO that I am going to be incorporating into my system is this one... http://www.nano-reef.com/forums/index.p ... &p=&#entry . Get the battery airpump at the fishing department at Wal-Mart or your local bait and tackle shop...those are the cheapest places. The switches can be bought online.
 

skipm

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Staff member
If by "glug jug" you are talking about a system similar to a Nurce they are fine with one drawback and that is they have to be above the tank to work. I have 3 different top off systems, one gravity with a float valve (sump) -works great, second a commercial switch connected to a powerhead-also works great but more expensive, and lastly a battery powered one like reefman gave you a link for- works great and it was cheap.
 

TimSchmidt

New Member
That NURCE seems to be perfect! I will have more than enough room for one in my stand. The only problem is I couldn't find one for sale. Any clues on where to look? Ebay is out and an internet search came up dry. Otherwise I guess I'll do the float switch ATO, seems to be a bit more stable than the "glug jug" I found.
I am going to try and set up my two tanks for a water leak / pump test. I still haven't got my stand but I probably should test these tanks (got them from a friend).
What sort of supplements does everyone use? Or is it just better to do water changes?
 

reefman23

New Member
I feel that the Salifert test kits are the most accurate and easy to read. All you need is Nitrates, Nitrites, Ammonia, and Calcium. those are the basics. I have no experience with the Hagen test kits.

Jesse
 
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